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conjugation [2018/08/27 10:35] ob Inchoative, Causative, Middle Voice |
conjugation [2020/04/26 22:51] (current) ob [Verb forms] does -end equal -ive? |
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* formed by appending the suffix **-a** to the stem | * formed by appending the suffix **-a** to the stem | ||
* like in Swedish and Icelandic | * like in Swedish and Icelandic | ||
+ | * references: [[References# | ||
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== Open questions == | == Open questions == | ||
Should a special infinitive marker be used like the English //to// (//to run//), German //zu//, Norwegian //å//, Swedish //att//, ...? | Should a special infinitive marker be used like the English //to// (//to run//), German //zu//, Norwegian //å//, Swedish //att//, ...? | ||
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* add the suffix **-end** to the stem | * add the suffix **-end** to the stem | ||
* references: [[References# | * references: [[References# | ||
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+ | == The -ive suffix == | ||
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+ | Does this participle cover meanings corresponding to English " | ||
=== Passive/ | === Passive/ | ||
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* if the root ends with a voiced consonant (i.e. B,V,G), the suffix is pronounced, and perhaps also written, **-de** | * if the root ends with a voiced consonant (i.e. B,V,G), the suffix is pronounced, and perhaps also written, **-de** | ||
* the perfect tenses are formed using the verb //have// with the passive participle | * the perfect tenses are formed using the verb //have// with the passive participle | ||
+ | * references: [[References# | ||
== The de-de bounce == | == The de-de bounce == | ||
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==== Inchoative and Causative Verbs and the Middle Voice ==== | ==== Inchoative and Causative Verbs and the Middle Voice ==== | ||
- | To do | + | We should consider the issues of inchoative (becoming) versus causative (making) verbs, and very similarly, the middle voice. If you know Esperanto, this corresponds to //igxi// and //igi//. The big question is: do we copy (mostly) the natlangs and just use the same verb-forms (i.e. they are " |
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+ | I think it's dodgy to use adjectives directly as verbs. The provisional causative suffix is **-en**, so an example causative-verb phrase is: //ik troken de plat// (I'm drying the plate). For the inchoative version, the options are: | ||
+ | * simply use that, i.e. //de plat troken// | ||
+ | * use an inchoative suffix | ||
+ | * use a reflexive pronoun, i.e. //de plat troken sig// | ||
+ | * use the verb " | ||
+ | Regarding the middle voice, this relates to verbs in general. An example verb is " | ||
==== Additional remarks ==== | ==== Additional remarks ==== | ||
- | * mostly it is proposed to make all verbs regular, except for the one for //to be// | + | * mostly it is proposed to make all verbs regular, except for the one for //to be//. A possibility for this one special verb (from [[User_ob]]) is the following, using **ver** as the root: infinitive **vera** or **vere** (depending on the suffix), imperative **ver**, participle 1 **verend**, participle 2 **varet**, present tense **er**, preterite **var**. Note that the first three forms are regular, and the second three irregular. |