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conjugation [2018/08/27 11:42] ob [Inchoative and Causative Verbs and the Middle Voice] middle voice |
conjugation [2020/03/06 15:17] ob [Verb forms] mor20 (-a) |
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* formed by appending the suffix **-a** to the stem | * formed by appending the suffix **-a** to the stem | ||
* like in Swedish and Icelandic | * like in Swedish and Icelandic | ||
+ | * references: [[References# | ||
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== Open questions == | == Open questions == | ||
Should a special infinitive marker be used like the English //to// (//to run//), German //zu//, Norwegian //å//, Swedish //att//, ...? | Should a special infinitive marker be used like the English //to// (//to run//), German //zu//, Norwegian //å//, Swedish //att//, ...? | ||
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==== Inchoative and Causative Verbs and the Middle Voice ==== | ==== Inchoative and Causative Verbs and the Middle Voice ==== | ||
- | We should consider the issues of inchoative (becoming) versus causative (making) verbs, and very similarly, the middle voice. If you know Esperanto, this corresponds to //igxi// and //igi//. The big question is: do we copy (mostly) the natlangs and just use the same verb-forms, or do we make the distinction? | + | We should consider the issues of inchoative (becoming) versus causative (making) verbs, and very similarly, the middle voice. If you know Esperanto, this corresponds to //igxi// and //igi//. The big question is: do we copy (mostly) the natlangs and just use the same verb-forms |
I think it's dodgy to use adjectives directly as verbs. The provisional causative suffix is **-en**, so an example causative-verb phrase is: //ik troken de plat// (I'm drying the plate). For the inchoative version, the options are: | I think it's dodgy to use adjectives directly as verbs. The provisional causative suffix is **-en**, so an example causative-verb phrase is: //ik troken de plat// (I'm drying the plate). For the inchoative version, the options are: | ||
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Regarding the middle voice, this relates to verbs in general. An example verb is " | Regarding the middle voice, this relates to verbs in general. An example verb is " | ||
==== Additional remarks ==== | ==== Additional remarks ==== | ||
- | * mostly it is proposed to make all verbs regular, except for the one for //to be// | + | * mostly it is proposed to make all verbs regular, except for the one for //to be//. A possibility for this one special verb (from [[User_ob]]) is the following, using **ver** as the root: infinitive **vera** or **vere** (depending on the suffix), imperative **ver**, participle 1 **verend**, participle 2 **varet**, present tense **er**, preterite **var**. Note that the first three forms are regular, and the second three irregular. |